Speaker 1: 1:14

Welcome everyone to the Legends, lute and Lore podcast where we're doing it. We're doing an evening. This is like an evening recording for me. This is great. We are after dark Sesh. After dark, legends, lute and Lore. After dark, I feel like I'm in an episode of 902 and I'm at the Peach Pit, but anyway, don't mind me. We are here with the hosts of Table Talk, the official All Things, table Top RPG podcast, with the hosts Mariah, and I cannot roll my Rs. So, alejandra. So tell us a little about your podcast, talk about, maybe, what got you started, what was your inspiration for doing this, and share some memorable moments of the, because I think we started about the same time, probably early mid summer.

Speaker 1: 2:22

So what's your journey been like? Start from the beginning, for sure.

Speaker 2: 2:26

Mariah, do you want to give the spiel?

Speaker 3: 2:28

Yeah, I'll give the spiel of how we started and then, if you want to give our little, our little press junket marketing guru.

Speaker 3: 2:34

Yeah, so we've talked about it for a couple of years now, because Allie and I have been good friends for quite a few years at this point, and it started as like as most of those things do is like the very stereotypical, like two best friends. I mean we should have a podcast. And it was like a very it was a joke. And then I was like, is the joke still a joke? And it's like, well, what if we did it? What would it be about? It's like, okay, well, d&d obviously, and two TRPGs, because that's like what we do with most of our free time.

Speaker 3: 3:08

And then it just really snowballed from there and we started doing it and then, shortly after we started, we went to pack some plugs and that was a crazy awesome experience for us. We met so many people and we made a lot of friends and we met a lot of friends that we had already made online and we had this like came out of it with this huge lineup of guests that we've then we're still meeting with and recording, and it's just. We carved out this fun little niche for ourselves where we're talking about everything that is related to TRPGs, from like mechanics and dice hoarding and like the interpersonal interaction side of it, and like the gaming industry at large and imposter syndrome and we're talking about like everything around it and we're not actually going into doing the actual play. I think it's something we would like to do, but both like Allie and I, have no chill when it comes to anything, so we're like we got to wait until we can have a whole in house production set up production.

Speaker 3: 4:10

So that's like a couple years down the line we started plotting, plotting it. But yeah, we started. We're both, we both work in marketing, we're both pretty like business focused and I think both of us in general, like both of us have this to each other of like we're the only really friends, because they're very stereotypical, like don't do it, don't do it a business with your friends.

Speaker 3: 4:32

But Allie and I are very compatible and we have our compatible skills and we see a lot of things the same and we have good both business backgrounds, so there's a lot of things that we just inherently know and either where one person is an expert in something the other person isn't, and vice versa, and so it's just kind of been a fairly seamless process. I mean, nothing is fully seamless, right, but as these things go like, I feel like we've kept a pretty good clip the whole time since we started. That's amazing.

Speaker 2: 5:09

Allie and I do share a brain cell and, like 99% of things, whatever we like, start to broach the subject. I'm like, no, I'm in full agreeance with you and like on the same page, and it's like cool, just double checking. But we've worked really well together.

Speaker 1: 5:22

That's awesome, so okay. So now, of course, my question is because I as well, I'm in marketing. So what are your fields in marketing? What are your specialties?

Speaker 2: 5:35

So mine is social media as well as, like in my profession, I was doing a lot of like the general, like campaign marketing management for the companies that I worked for and that's mostly like my focus.

Speaker 3: 5:51

Nice, that's awesome.

Speaker 3: 5:53

I mean, I did some marketing in college. As far as like actual adult business stuff, I kind of I cut my teeth in tech. It's still where I work. I do a lot of like content marketing and also similar of like campaign management and being that subject matter expert for how we talk about the certain products and the words. Specifically, I work in application security, which is a nice fun little nerdy sector to be in, and I've dabbled a bit in social media and things like that. But I like the, the campaign and the conceptual strategic side of marketing a lot. That's.

Speaker 2: 6:29

That's quite fun for me and I'm in like the real estate sector.

Speaker 1: 6:32

Nice, oh, very interesting. I'm always curious, it's so. So our podcast started out with a friend and I and very, very similarly, I had I think we'd started off right, like, right around. I got, I got laid off of my job and and I had started a podcast at at work for, for our bank, and I'm like I really loved the whole, just the whole, putting it all together, recording it, editing it. I loved the. I loved all the aspects of doing a podcast. I'm like, so, like, how can I do this in my life? And like, and we had that, we had the same thing, like, what are we interested in? D&d? So why not? That's awesome. So, so, so. So talk about some of the. What are some of the interesting guests you had on your, your show? What would have been some of the interesting topics that you you've had the opportunity to to discuss on your, on your podcast?

Speaker 3: 7:38

We just, at the time that we're recording this, the most recent episode, not this week's episode. The episode before that was by far the most unhinged thing we've ever recorded and put out on the internet, and it was just us talking about irrational fears for an hour with one of because we were part of the big like TTRPG fundraiser for Doctors Without Borders in January, and so one of the man from Big D&D Energy.

Speaker 3: 8:07

Yeah, who's fantastic, and shadowed Aaron, he's lovely. Yeah, I don't know how that happened. That wasn't the original point. I think I'm mostly responsible for diverting on that track.

Speaker 2: 8:20

DRL us.

Speaker 3: 8:20

But we, we will. You, we can usually get back on the track, and that never, happened, it went we did not, it was not.

Speaker 2: 8:27

No. She took the wheel, swarmed us off the road and we were all just in that ride and and adding our own irrational fears to it. And then, by the end of the episode, I was like and this is a great inspiration for DMS for sure, yes, yeah.

Speaker 1: 8:44

Oh, absolutely Never, never, never tell a DM your rational fears, because they will they will come to life somewhere, somewhere in the campaign.

Speaker 2: 8:53

Yeah for sure We've had. I mean, we've had a ton of really, really awesome guests. Like the episode that we had with Talking XB, who was one of our first guests, is still one of my favorites, because we talked a lot about imposter syndrome and then we just became really like genuinely good friends with Johnny at this point. I think another one that is pretty notable and has, I think, had the most effect on people is the Toxic Tables episode, where we talk about how to one identify that you're at a toxic table and you know, knowing that it's okay to leave it, even if you're having that feeling of like this is the only time I get to play D&D. You don't have to like suffer through a not ideal situation just because you feel like you're not going to get any D&D at all, like you can and will find other tables with people that are much healthier to play with and you'll enjoy those games so much more.

Speaker 2: 9:51

And that, I think, is the episode that like we got into it because like I mean honestly, truly our journey is deeply tied to us leaving a very toxic table. I wouldn't be DMing if I didn't do it, because that kind of forced me into the position and it's been the best thing that we ever did, to be honest. So we've had a lot of people react to that episode and like tell us that it's inspiring them to leave not ideal situations. So that one I keep like close to my heart as a favorite, just because it makes me feel good that it helps people. Absolutely that's amazing.

Speaker 3: 10:28

Yeah, we also had a really great episode with SJ Bikin, or he just kind of talked about.

Speaker 2: 10:33

Oh, my God.

Speaker 1: 10:36

That was like we it got very therapy psychopomp, which, like that's my shit.

Speaker 3: 10:40

I love that. It was very just like digging to, like being a creative and dealing with imposter syndrome and deal with how do you build because, like he has like whole world of Ebbondale and he creates so much cool stuff, and so he talked about that. But then also like the psychological side of like how not second guessing yourself and like how you, how you go about forming the world, and like when do you draw the line where it's like no, we can just call a chair a chair and we don't have to like come up with a fun mythological name for everything, because then we'll be insane. Right, you're not all Tolkien, unfortunately. Like well, not even unfortunately, like it's not, you don't have to go quite that hard.

Speaker 2: 11:21

You don't got to go that deep. No.

Speaker 1: 11:23

You really don't, and it's funny I was, so we. So we now do an actual play once, once a month, which is, you're absolutely right about, the production of it is insane. But while but yeah, but one of the one of the one of the one guy that plays with us is Edm's a campaign that I'm in, but he said the same thing. He's like sometimes a room is just a room. It doesn't have to be filled with a ton of stuff. You know, you can just walk into an empty room there. There doesn't have to be a mimic like hiding in the corner, like it doesn't, it doesn't have to be this big.

Speaker 2: 12:01

A lot of crazy, crazy how in a world of magic there's still a broom closet Right Like that just has rooms.

Speaker 3: 12:08

Absolutely. You still have to like wash dishes somehow.

Speaker 1: 12:11

Yeah, and well and well, let me see, let me go back to so, let me so this, this, this, just I, because I talked about my list of questions, so let me, let me ask you this question.

Speaker 3: 12:26

Okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 12:28

If, if you could enchant one mundane object in your home to perform one task forever, what would it be and how would it potentially hilariously backfire?

Speaker 3: 12:44

I have a question. I have a question. Yes, is it going to be performing this task constantly, forever, or will it perform the task for? When appropriate when needed, so like, for example, a coffee maker. If it's a coffee maker, is it just always going to make coffee, or is it going to make coffee every day at 8am?

Speaker 1: 13:08

I would, I would say, I would say it's going to, it's going to do it at its appropriate time. Think of, think of like a Roomba. It just kind of goes when it needs to go. It doesn't. It doesn't have to, it's not going to go 24, 7, so Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 13:22

I have my answer if you need a second.

Speaker 3: 13:24

You can go first, because I'm trying to answer. Let's hear it.

Speaker 2: 13:27

Okay, I can see this happening very much like a genie wish situation and like my innate reaction would be like I need my laundry machine to do my laundry and put it away. That's the thing. I fucking hate laundry. I hate it and that would be my first gut instinct. The way that I think it would hilariously like turn on me is the fact that the laundry machine now has to scrape itself across my floor to get to my room, gobble up all the laundry and just like drag itself back to plug itself into the waterline and like do it and then again go back and like put that shit away. And it would just be the most annoying thing, like once every two weeks, that this thing has to just fucking scrape itself across my floor Like the actual wash machine yeah, just a big congy machine, yeah, that just has to like.

Speaker 3: 14:19

It's just like fucking oh, no, no, no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:23

You're on a zoom call for work and and you see the thing like scraping the floor behind you, scraping across that shit.

Speaker 2: 14:29

Yeah, you get kicked out like I forgot that it is the time that it's going to go into my closet and gobble all my clothes.

Speaker 3: 14:36

That's amazing.

Speaker 1: 14:37

It's time, yeah, okay, I have mine then Okay, great, let's hear it.

Speaker 3: 14:44

My chore that I hate doing and will forever get into and not doing is dusting. I don't know why it just enrages me.

Speaker 3: 14:49

It's probably because I've always lived in places with poor insulation and so it's like I finished dusting and then I'll be damned if there's not more dust already, and I was like this is a never ending story. That's not cute and is just depressing for me. So I don't do it until it's like a problem for my allergies. And then I'm like why am I the way that I am? So I would like to have like a little Swiffer, like feather duster situation that would just take care of that. I do think it would go hilariously wrong because me and the duster would run into each other because neither of us would have the appropriate situation like spatial awareness.

Speaker 2: 15:27

And yeah, I'd probably you'd be like making coffee and it's like going across the cabinets and definitely dust your face in the time and like or it would be it would like to accidentally type an email for me or something like that.

Speaker 3: 15:41

It would just go, or it would just scare me Like I would get home at night and I would forget that the duster dusts on Tuesdays at nine pm and I'm like, oh, there's a spirit in my home. It's like, no, it's just the duster.

Speaker 2: 15:55

You do be having adrenaline issues and you cannot be out here. I haven't, I should just move it around.

Speaker 3: 16:00

I do have chronic illnesses, one of which is adrenaline issues, and I startled very easily.

Speaker 1: 16:04

It would be rough, but it would be nice to have the dust, so I feel like we'd have to coexist. Yeah, definitely. Oh, my God, that's, that's. It's just it kind of vaguely reminds me of Was it the Weasleys home in the Harry Potter movies, like, where everything was, was, was like probably.

Speaker 1: 16:26

I think she had like everything like like that, like the dishes were washing themselves and everything was kind of going on in the background. I always just wonder like what that would be like to be able to and chant an item and and have it do something for you.

Speaker 2: 16:41

Like every other chore I can do literally. The other day I paid someone to do my fucking laundry because I was just done.

Speaker 3: 16:48

I get that.

Speaker 2: 16:48

I totally get that Like yeah, I'm not doing the laundry.

Speaker 3: 16:52

It really becomes like a behemoth.

Speaker 2: 16:54

A mountain when?

Speaker 3: 16:55

you're like I'll die under this pile of laundry. It will never get done.

Speaker 1: 17:01

Yes, it's a problem, it's a real problem and, like you said, I think, for me, for me it's the folding, it's the folding of laundry.

Speaker 2: 17:11

It's the folding. I can do the laundry. Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 3: 17:15

It's the putting that shit away. I don't see, I don't mind it, but I am bad about like. I'm good about washing it, I'm good about getting wet things either hung up or put into the dryer, because I get real weird about things potentially molding.

Speaker 3: 17:27

I don't my brain and I just it stresses me out, I don't know why always has. I am bad, but like once the thing is dry and I'm like, oh, it's reached a safe homeostasis and now I can forget that it exists, and so I'll go to do more laundry, and I'm like, oh, there's the towels that have been in there for like two weeks and they're dry, it's fine, they're just hanging out, they're dry and they're clean.

Speaker 3: 17:48

But like it's fine, I'll just be like oh, I'm sorry, friends, I'll fold you up now, but like it doesn't bother me, it just is a it bothers other people, like my mom, who doesn't do that with laundry. Then I'm like I do just be this way.

Speaker 1: 18:03

It's all right. Like you said, the job. The job is to wash laundry, not to like the folding and putting it away. That's secondary.

Speaker 2: 18:10

As long as it's clean, that's all we can have.

Speaker 1: 18:12

Exactly, I completely agree. So okay, so we have our enchanted items. So let me go back to even further back in history and how did you both get started? What was your first introduction to the world? What was it? D&d, was it another tabletop game Like? What was your? What was your gateway drug to the world?

Speaker 2: 18:42

of.

Speaker 1: 18:42

D&D and dice, goblinism, etc.

Speaker 2: 18:48

Yeah, I'll go first. So my first initial introduction was I've always been like big into video games. I loved reading fantasy like hashtag nerd since the moment I could conceive of it. But yeah, I had a friend in early college, like my first year of college, who mentioned Dungeons and Dragons and that he wanted to learn to DM and he had bought all the books. And so he was like, if I get something together, would you play? And I was like sure, I don't know what the fuck it is, but am nerd, I'll do it. And like he explained it to me and I was like, yeah, that sounds cool.

Speaker 2: 19:22

And then I like did research and I was like, oh, I have to like act out my character at a table of people I don't know. And I was like that induces a little bit of anxiety and I'm an extrovert. But I was still just like that's not something I've done before. So my solution to that was to bring two bottles of wine. I drank one before we had even started. The other one sat next to me as I played. So I was like that loosened me up a little bit, but it was like not a great game, not for fault of his own. He made like a really cool story and I was trying to engage with it as much as possible.

Speaker 2: 19:56

The other two players not it chief they were just like sitting back on their phones not really paying attention.

Speaker 2: 20:01

If it wasn't combat they didn't care, and even when it was combat, they just were like I do my hardest hit or my biggest spell and then I go back to not caring and oftentimes the only reason we lived is because I took the time to RP some shit, to get us fucking health potions or some shit.

Speaker 2: 20:18

So it wasn't super engaging and we only played maybe a couple of times before. I was like this isn't for me. And then, like a couple of years went by and then I met our old DM, who was how me and Mariah like got introduced to each other and he had known that I had tried it once before. So he was like if you're interested, we need a player If you want to join. So I did, and that was the first time I experienced a table of people that were actually like into it and they were in character, they had voices and all this stuff and I was like, oh, this, like that. That was when the bug bit me and I was like no, yeah, I'm addicted to this shit for real, for real. And that from there is history.

Speaker 1: 20:59

That's awesome. So so do you remember your first, your first character?

Speaker 2: 21:07

Yeah, her name was Nefara. She was a rogue tiefling, like any good bisexual woman would do, and she had a little owl. Familiar at the time Didn't know that rogues can have familiars. He just let me have it and his name was Cosmo and I I think I had a picture of that owl that has like the genetic like mutation to where his eyes just look like literal galaxies, and so I was like this is my verb, I think I did some wild shit that I was like can I use a disguise kit on my owl to make him look like a dragon and prestigitate the sound of a dragon to scare these bitches off? And he was like fuck it, I'll let you do it, because everybody else is lame and I'm like cool, sick. Now that's what I love.

Speaker 1: 21:47

I love the. I love the. I love the kind of ability that you have to just Just to think of whatever you possibly could, to to solve a solution. Like I'm always, I'm always at the school if there's got to be an answer to it, however bizarre it may be, but there's got to be a solution to figuring this out. I love, I just love that creativity. So that's that's.

Speaker 2: 22:16

that's just amazing, that's so yeah, I think from the jump I've always been the kind of player that I'm like I'm pouring over my character sheet and not just looking at the things that I can do. But I'll be like what's in my inventory, what other like feature shit do I have that I could like play into this turn and like how many action, like economy things can I get out of this turn? Oh yeah, and so I thought I thought from the jump I was like the point of the game is to do as much as possible on your turn. So I was like can I do this and this and this and this and that and that, like, like, and just see what happens?

Speaker 1: 22:49

That's a. That's fantastic, mariah. What about you? So? What was what's your? Your origin story?

Speaker 3: 22:55

So mine was. I've also been pretty nerdy my whole life. I kind of like I knew of D&D growing up but I'd never played it. And then my first job out of College, I was in QA analysis and I worked pretty close with a developer his name is Dean shout out Dean, if you happen to be watching this and so he kind of got me into like the McElroy's and their D&D podcast and just sort of started he got, he got me into listening, critical listening to critical role, because I was like I simply k, it's five hours, I simply can't. And then I accidentally spoiled myself because I watched the real, the real sad part at the end and I'm like, well, now I have to know what happened. Vox Machina, though, like I see my mother part of Vox Machina and I was like cool, I'm forever broken now and I must watch it.

Speaker 3: 23:48

Just clean, it'll be fine. Cut to like 85 hours later it was not fine chief.

Speaker 3: 23:54

The kids were not alright. And so Dean and our our old DM that is, introduced, ali and I we were all kind of planning to start playing like a little campaign in the office, like after work once a week. And then of course quarantine came, so we got sent Of me office day, like we'll see in two weeks, and two weeks turned into like a couple months, and then our old DM put together a group and Invited me and so I went and played and then shortly we played a handful of sessions and then Ali got brought in as well and that was how that was my first like actual campaign playing, my first character. Her name was Ren, she was a changeling sorcerer.

Speaker 1: 24:39

Oh, I love, I Played a shapeshifter once and you're fun, so much fun. There's just, there's just so much you can do with that. And I was. It was funny, I played. I played the shapeshifter as as non-binary Because I, because I said, because my, because my background was, he's they, they, they had changed their shape so many times they don't even remember what, like what, their original form what original was. Yeah, so they were just. They are what they are, yeah, so, oh yeah, shapeshifters are just they're super fun oh.

Speaker 2: 25:20

I know, I know we have a non-binary shapeshifter, bard, and one of my current campaigns that I'm in and yeah, their name is K shout out K. But yeah, they're, they're a wonderful, wonderful little character to play with. They're, they're very fully flirtatious and they'll just take on like whatever Spectrum of attraction is available and I'm like I love this character.

Speaker 1: 25:42

That's fantastic, so so I asked this question to you, so. So, so what? What is, what is your dice collection like?

Speaker 3: 25:56

Pretty like well, not, not so out of hand, that it's like concerning, but also not and mine's pretty good on it.

Speaker 1: 26:04

I'm concerning, well, what? What are you doing? How do you define concern?

Speaker 2: 26:09

Okay, here's how I'll define concerning and how everybody else should be concerned for me. Okay, every single time I make a character, I don't just get character dice. I have to get between three to five dice for like a little dice, charcuterie, mood board of this character, because I can't be satisfied with that, because one, as we all know, you can get pretty dice. Those dice could fucking hate you. So I I make my odds a little better because I'm like I have the aesthetics here, but I know that this specific dice is the one that lucked out and is the one that I need to roll for this character. But I just like to see all the dice together while I'm playing this character, which does mean I spent boo-koo money on dice and I do have like a bag of holding with like multiple sections in it for all the different. I have one of those dice types.

Speaker 2: 26:55

Yeah yeah, I like. Right now we were in Strix Haven and I have my big-ass dice tray and I have a dice for every single school on the outer rim, because then I roll those dice for the characters and what school they are specifically in.

Speaker 1: 27:11

I love that so much.

Speaker 3: 27:13

Yeah, I feel like I might. I don't think mine is as bad because I got. I also got one of those like big dice bags with the Little dividers, but mine is like comically huge, so it looks like I don't have that many dice and I think maybe I think maybe I've just gaslit myself into thinking I don't have a problem.

Speaker 2: 27:34

Right, because there's a lot of you guys, a bigger bag.

Speaker 3: 27:37

Yeah if the bag is a full yeah, it's just like absolutely by color because definitely, like when I first started playing, I went pretty ham and it was just like shiny, shiny, pretty rocks, like I just grabbed them. And now I'm more.

Speaker 3: 27:49

As I got more into buying like the fancier, more expensive dice, I did have to cool my heels because it's not gonna be some more selective right when you're buying the ones that are like five, ten, fifteen, even twenty like a pop, you can, you know, you can just eat them like Pringles, but you have to when we're getting to the fancy boys, we have to, like, make some calls to the 60 to 100 range. Nice, and so, yeah, I have now recently.

Speaker 1: 28:17

I admit nothing.

Speaker 3: 28:18

Yeah, oh, it packs. We saw like there was a lady that made a set of dice that was worth like $3,000.

Speaker 2: 28:26

I think they were like 3k.

Speaker 3: 28:28

They were beautiful really yeah they were.

Speaker 1: 28:31

Who was that beautiful Cuz I, cuz I hit all the guys all the guys, vendors.

Speaker 2: 28:35

Oh my god, if you give me a second, I could look her up and it does out and post. Hold on.

Speaker 1: 28:42

Dying to know, cuz I know one of one of my favorite vendors is dice dungeons. They're out of there, out of Baltimore and they have. They have like a tungsten d20 oh that is I think like $6,000. Oh.

Speaker 2: 29:02

I got her RG dice butik. Her name is Raquel Interesting RG dice boutique. They're 3k because she hand painted like stained glass effects on this shit and like all the all the stuff that was on the inside, like I think it was Insane and they were in fact the most beautiful dice I've ever fucking seen in my life and I was like no, yes you look at them three K.

Speaker 3: 29:25

Yeah, of course, right.

Speaker 2: 29:28

Yeah, she was like no, I spent I don't even remember how many hours like painting all this intricate detail into those dice and I was like, no, yeah, no, you're worth. These are a hundred percent valued at that, if not more. To be honest, they're gorgeous.

Speaker 3: 29:41

Why and why have you told me about this site? These are great. Why have you, why have you done this to me? I thought we were friends. I.

Speaker 2: 29:50

Love looking at the reflection of the dice shopping on my glasses. We're like I don't know a problem.

Speaker 1: 30:00

Yeah, there's a couple. There was another vendor that I ran into at at packs I started. I started watching her on tiktok and Her brand is called long dog dice. She's got, she's got a couple of doxons and so so it's named after after her, her two dogs and she does. She does like commissions. So I, I, I can't, I don't want to give it away, because my players listen to this podcast but there may or may not be commissioned dice for their characters, because she's like tell me what you think about this.

Speaker 1: 30:41

She, she's like tell me. She's like, send me pictures of the characters, send me their, send me their character. She's tell me their backstories. So she takes all this information and then and then comes up with like a design In the dice for the character. So I'm, I'm so excited.

Speaker 3: 30:58

I really want to have like uh VTM dice commissioned and I think if I start doing that. That's going to be a slippery slope, because then I'm going to have one for like this Prince and one for that prince and the yeah, I can't. I'm.

Speaker 2: 31:14

Can't baby.

Speaker 1: 31:17

She's oh, she's gonna, she's gonna do this, she's got socks. She's blind, so oh, are you gonna sit there?

Speaker 2: 31:27

Sweet baby. Yeah, just sit there, yep, just lay down like a scarf.

Speaker 1: 31:33

She does this is this is all she does, so she will.

Speaker 2: 31:35

I love it.

Speaker 1: 31:36

This is DD, dd, dd, short for daredevil, because she's the blinds, she's the cat without fear, so she's named after the cartoon character if you can't see the danger, danger can't see you Exactly oh. She's a good girl. Um, I I have. I have a serious dice problem and I may or may not have a display case for some sets of dice that.

Speaker 3: 32:04

I would like to do that when I have more room.

Speaker 1: 32:07

Yeah, I found, I found a little it's like six sets of dice from it displays from amazon and I was like I just Sure some of them are just so nice.

Speaker 2: 32:18

Man, can I talk about the bullshit that we did for that that xdm for for his old display? Yes, yes, yeah, okay uh, never regretted a decision more in my life. So, so we had made I think this was for Christmas, uh, because we were in like a Ravenloft campaign that went on for like I think, like over a year, um, and, to be fair, the campaign itself. We had great times.

Speaker 3: 32:46

Um, but yeah, people that are not the people we still play now, but everyone else trash the campaign trash, throw them away.

Speaker 2: 32:53

Um. But the campaign itself, like the reason we stuck it out so long was because we were so invested in that story and uh, but we decided to him we made like a little shadowbox display and so in like a metal tin which like I hand painted like the lid on it and stuff, and like we set that to the side. Um, we each gave up one of our dice, um, for like a full set and then it was like of our character dice, yeah, um. So each of us like chose one. I think I had the d8 because I was the bard and that's my bardic inspiration, so that's what I gave up, um, but I gave up one that was like from one of my really nice metal sets because she was a warforged Um and I was so pissed after the shit that fell out and I was like that dice that will never be complete.

Speaker 1: 33:39

Oh my god.

Speaker 3: 33:40

And I'm like the one that was like the one good decision I made in relation to that man was to be petty in that circumstance because I knew, I knew in my soul I was like this person's not going to stay in my life and I refuse to fuck up an entire set of dice. So I have some sets of dice that have four d6's. So I was like, okay, so immediately, when they're like, which dice are you going to go? I was like I want the d6, because I was like then I can give one of those and like, yeah, I won't have all four, but I'll suffer the consequence still have a set and I won't have to sacrifice anything for his dumbass.

Speaker 3: 34:10

And that's what I did, and that's like the one good decision I ever. I burned all my good decision brain cells on that. I stayed for everything else with the. I didn't mess up a dice set so I know I can take that.

Speaker 2: 34:20

Yeah, but sometimes we fantasize about it and we were like we're like, do you think he still has that shit hung up, or did they put that shit away once?

Speaker 3: 34:27

they were like we're being petty like sure, like one of our friends, would like sure be ashamed if we just broke into his house if someone broke in there and and reclaimed our babies.

Speaker 1: 34:37

I love it, so that's too funny. I could, I could go on all day about dice, but let me ask, let me ask this question um, so, so, other than dnd, so what? What other? What other rpgs or tabletop games? What is there anything you're currently playing or or what else do you like to play? Let's talk about that. What's what's?

Speaker 2: 35:03

Go on, brian, do you should I?

Speaker 3: 35:05

run vampire the masquerade. I run a very, very heavily modified fall of london when it's like we're not really playing with the in position right now. We're mostly just playing with, like Prince Anne V Mithras, um, because I just want vampire court shenanigans, uh, and then we'll bring in the inquisition later, um, so that's that's one that like I I'd watch for years and like wanted to run. It was just too nervous too with that previous group and then felt more, felt comfortable enough to try with like our group of four that we have now.

Speaker 1: 35:37

Um.

Speaker 3: 35:38

I also. I have blades in the dark which I really want to run. Okay, um, there's also. We played kandel up skewera with johnny one time and that was really fun. I would love to play kandel up skewera more. What else?

Speaker 2: 35:53

We've done Overgrown on Roldy 5 and that was super fun. Mariah got to play Perils and Princesses.

Speaker 3: 35:59

Perils and Princesses was still good.

Speaker 2: 36:01

Yes, yeah, super, super cute game. One that I really want to run at some point is the Dragon Age TTRPG, because I managed to snag one of them books after like a really long hunt for one, and I'm just a Dragon Age whore and I really want to take them. I want to take them. I don't know if it's okay to cuss on your podcast. I didn't ask. I hope so. Okay, cool yeah we're half-time Because I'm a sailor. I was like too late.

Speaker 3: 36:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:33

You can just bleep me out like super funny, but yeah, no, I love Dragon Age and all of them. Mariah's played a little bit of Inquisition. I need to play, but the other two, yeah, the other two have not, and so I really and like, realistically, not many people are really going to go back to origins because of how old it is and the mechanics are and the graphics are rough, buddy.

Speaker 3: 36:56

I only get through it out of nostalgia along, but it's rough and I don't expect anyone to do it, but I was the same way I get through Ocarina of Time and Super Mario 64. Yeah, that's my yeah, so it's.

Speaker 2: 37:10

I've played around with the idea of like running them through the events of origins as like a TTRPG and having them pick from like the different you know origins starting stories and then like letting that play out how it's going to play out. And you would need to do like no prep for that because you have a biblical knowledge because I am a steel trap of Dragon Age Lord, like 98% of my brain space is devoted to that. That's impressive.

Speaker 3: 37:39

When I was like going because, like we're all like every time I see anything related to Dread Wolf, I will send it to Ali, and nine times out of 10, she's already seen it, but I'm like I will do it. But when I was like you know, start playing Inquisition which I need to restart it and actually like get through Trespasser because that's the good, the good STEMI and not romance Black Wall because he'll just leave your ass spoilers if you haven't played Inquisition, but it's quite an old game. In my defense, he just shows up in your room in the middle of the night, lean and dance the wall and is suddenly like hey, do you want to be in a relationship?

Speaker 2: 38:10

And what were you to do?

Speaker 3: 38:11

Yeah. And then the first time I panicked, quit the game because I was like I can't make this decision right now and I was like okay, but then he just leaves you. I'm like why, why, why, black Wall, anyway, not the point at all, separate rant, but like I had, I literally had it all. I'd be like, okay, just tell me what happens in the first two games. And she just rattled it off and I'm like fantastic.

Speaker 2: 38:33

I was like, cool, we're going to stay here for like a four hour conversation, nice Just late, late, all that time.

Speaker 2: 38:40

Like, yeah, I a lot of people. It's my life mission to introduce people to these games and like just indoctrinate them. So anytime someone who shows even remote interests, I'm like cool, I have all of the games and all of the DLC. I'm going to give you my password and you're going to go in and you're going to play and I'm like the only requirement I have is that you stream it to me so I can watch you play and I can enjoy that. So Mariah would have me like watching her play inquisition and half the time I'd be like looking at my phone while she's playing and she'll get stuck and I'll look up and I'm like I have no context for what she's been doing for the past like 30 minutes and I'm like so you got to go here and do this and do that in the book and I know exactly where I've recognized that tree anywhere.

Speaker 3: 39:19

I would be looking for the shards, and I've walked the same circle in the hinterlands like 18 fucking times I've gotten mauled by bears I've got. Why are there so many bears in the hinterlands still?

Speaker 2: 39:30

There's so many.

Speaker 3: 39:31

Why have they not been hunted to extinction yet, like. And then I was like I cannot find the shard and I was like, oh, it's up there and it would be right where she indicated. And I'm like, how? Now, in my defense, because Inquisition is one of those games, like it doesn't auto load the map sections. You load the map sections by walking the terrain, which is a pet peeve of mine. I am much more of a fan of, like you get map pieces because I like to see what the terrain is. So I know if there's like a big valley or an insurmountable mountain range that I can't and I'm just like let me through and I'm not going to be able to get through. But that's on how all games work and that's fine. But yeah, I just wouldn't know how to get around and I would be like no go here.

Speaker 2: 40:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 40:16

And I'm like thank you.

Speaker 2: 40:17

But I just have photographic memory of every nook and cranny of those maps.

Speaker 1: 40:21

Wow, there's probably a few games like that that I could still remember. It's not an RPG, but I'm very excited for my birthday. Well, for Christmas I bought my wife the Atari 2600. Like one of the original Nice, but it's updated from Atari because it has an HDMI port so you can watch your old games in widescreen. But then for my birthday she got me Pitfall, which is like my old school 1980s love. So I am so excited. But again, it's like you know every like where to jump, where to go to this where to do that.

Speaker 2: 41:10

Yeah, it's just. I could be 98 years old on my deathbed and somebody could boot that shit up. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 41:20

So you just like you hope, you hope for a trivia contest that has like that, Like those types of questions like this is my fucking destroy.

Speaker 2: 41:33

I'd be like it's just me by myself. Give it to me yeah she went no, yeah, I have. Like I have all the. I've read the novels and like all the lore books and extended stuff and the comics and the like you fucking name it I'm, I'm all deep in that shit.

Speaker 1: 41:54

That's an encyclopedic knowledge. I consume it very raciously. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm impressed.

Speaker 3: 42:03

I'm a little bit like that with Vox Machina and so then, like my friends well, always started to listen to the campaign of Vox Machina. I've like finally worn her down over after three years of being like you should. But the animated series is really like a great gateway drug. But watching it with me I'm sure is painful, because I'm having to just like temper all of my reactions because I can't react to the foreshadowing and spoil things. But I'm like I'm losing my mind and they're like why, what's, what is this? I'm like I can't tell you yeah, it's brutal, yeah, it's rough out here.

Speaker 1: 42:40

That's tough. It's always getting getting somebody, getting somebody like into your hobby or your, your interest, and then, yes, especially like a TV show or something like that, and you're, you sitting there watching and you're like, yeah, I know what's going to happen.

Speaker 2: 42:56

And you have to try to be so fucking chill about it too, because you're like I just want someone to get to the point where I'm at with it. Yes, like I just need one other human on the face of this earth to love the thing that I love, the way that I love it, so then I could just talk about that till the ends of the earth, till the sun bursts in the sky and everything erupts Like that's all I made by each repeat. That's all I want.

Speaker 3: 43:21

Is this all?

Speaker 2: 43:21

right, you have to be super chill about it, and so they get entrenched.

Speaker 1: 43:26

Yeah, so on on that note, let me ask this question since, since we're talking about looking for people of similar interests, so another one of my questions for you the one that Alejandra, I know is looking forward to which D&D monster do you secretly relate to on a personal level? I prepared for this one, and what does that say about your dating life?

Speaker 3: 43:54

Oh man Okay.

Speaker 2: 43:56

So you're good.

Speaker 2: 43:58

You're good, you're good. So I thought about it for a bit and I would like definitely viciously scrolling through like the monster manual shit, because I was just like listen, first of all I only know the monsters at this point. That I think countered not all the monsters that exist in D&D Period. But when I thought about it and then I was like okay, I think it would be an ethic, specifically because of the way that they just like unmake themselves into this little creature because of their obsession with like arcane knowledge.

Speaker 2: 44:30

I think is pretty much the way that I am about like specifically the TTRPG hyper fixation because, especially now running my own game and the amount of like when I get into the mind palace situation and I'm like rotting from the inside because of the maladaptive daydreaming I've told this to my players. But especially recently, I'm very big on like music and I specifically see that's most of my prep is listening to playlist, because I just go into a fucking spiral about envisioning the scenes and the interactions through music. So recently we've had situations where I'm like as soon as I realize that thing is happening, I find the song that is fucking perfect for it, and then I'm like I'm sitting at my eight hour work week listening to the same song on repeat for eight fucking hours, and then probably more hours once I get home, like a maniac.

Speaker 1: 45:25

We have no idea what you're saying.

Speaker 2: 45:27

No, did you hear me at all? You can't hear me what?

Speaker 1: 45:36

happened? I have no idea. Can you hear me? I can hear you now. Can you hear us? Yeah, yeah, you, you, you froze and I hate that.

Speaker 2: 45:49

Okay, I'm so sorry. Where did I?

Speaker 3: 45:51

leave off About how you like, pick when you have things you want Sorry. When you have like scenes you know you want to have happen and it came in here, you will find a song to like define that.

Speaker 2: 46:03

Yes. So I find a song and then recently that song, I will literally go to work and from the moment I get to work, for eight straight hours I'm listening to the same song on fucking repeat, just living in that scene for the whole duration of my day and even sometime after I get home and I'm like that descent into madness and obsession feels like no thick coated. What that says about my fucking dating life is just I don't know, someone's going to have to be really fucking prepared for that type of energy. And I'm like, if you're good with me listening to the same song for 12 hours, then we'll be great. And just let me descend into madness.

Speaker 1: 46:45

That's all it is.

Speaker 2: 46:47

And be there on the other side, that's all you need Just hold me when I come out of my fucking fever dream.

Speaker 3: 46:58

I was thinking about it and I just like instinctively remembered that flumps are a thing. And then I saw, I Googled them and they just kind of float around the under dark and like to learn about philosophy and if they encounter a bad thought they turn red and get angry. And I feel like that's my vibe, just collecting info, just floating around being chill. Like an under dark jellyfish Just vibing.

Speaker 2: 47:23

Yeah, Until there's a bad thought and you're like nope.

Speaker 3: 47:26

Yeah, I don't know what that says about my dating life, aside from well, yes, I do. I think of like I will stay in situations until they get real bad and then, yes, I will turn red and get angry and burn the person's soul off the earth.

Speaker 2: 47:42

Yeah, and just go back to floating.

Speaker 1: 47:47

Just keep on, keep on floating.

Speaker 2: 47:49

Don't float Wonderful. So yeah, we're just, we're just a no thick and a flump in a trench coat.

Speaker 3: 47:55

No thick and a flump, I love it.

Speaker 1: 47:57

So where, so? Where did you, where did you encounter a no thick?

Speaker 2: 48:01

Oh, I used them. Oh, do you? Yeah, we had a situation again. My, my campaign that I run is a strict saving campaign by the skin of its teeth, and I take a lot of liberties, and it's very homebrew at this point.

Speaker 2: 48:14

So strict saving that's that is about the cannon. Yeah, got it. That's about what we took from the book. But the I had it to be where the wither bloom, the wither bloom dragon runs the detention bog in her human form, and so a part of the detention bog is there, are, I put, no thicks as, like the creatures, that kind of inhabited it, and so the the players have to cross the detention bog, retrieve this crate and bring it back over the no thicks are specifically attracted to arcane items, which all of them have.

Speaker 2: 48:53

So they encounter them and they try to like steal things. They're actually not like super aggressive, so their main objective is to steal things from the players and that's kind of you know, a good punishment for having done shit you weren't supposed to. But the no thicks are very much like her pets that she cares for and because it is a magic school and it's a very magic centered city that they're in, I feel like no thicks would happen and like they are attracted to the school because it's such a concentration of magic and she just kind of takes them in and cares for them.

Speaker 1: 49:26

That makes sense.

Speaker 2: 49:29

Cause they were once, you know, great wizards that just got got into the sauce.

Speaker 1: 49:35

To loss in the sauce. We had one of the one of the first campaigns I I played I think it was the first campaign I played in um it was, it was lost minds of Van Delver and one of the you know like, you know, like the, the caverns under this, under this building, there was a no thick there and I remember one of our party members, um befriended don't, don't ask me how befriended the no thick and and I don't know if they kept it, I want to say kept as a pet, but they it was, it was underneath this house. So they, they took, they took over the house and and kept the no thick, like in the house.

Speaker 2: 50:19

It was like a smeagle companion yeah.

Speaker 1: 50:21

It was. It was like a companion, like like the doctor, so it was, it was their companion and it was just the no thick. So instead of instead of killing in no thick, we were like, oh, let's just make it friends, yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:33

I mean they just, they just really want like magic shit. They're not super, like they won't aggro on you unless you aggro on them, right, like they just they just want to afford a little magic, they just want shiny.

Speaker 1: 50:47

So let me ask you this question, cause I've I've been. I was watching a video earlier today on Tik Tok and it was it was the whole debate of XP versus milestone um leveling, leveling up in in campaigns, and we we've talked about this on the podcast before and I and and my contention is like with if you play using XP, I feel like you tend to have More murder.

Speaker 2: 51:22

Yes, exactly, thank you.

Speaker 1: 51:25

You have parties that tend to be murder hobos because they want to clear the level.

Speaker 3: 51:29

It's like the old video game syndrome you got to clear the level and but when you play milestone, yeah, because it's like players like I want to do my own stuff and then it's allowed me to do this and, like you, can't do that because I need the XP, whereas if it's milestone, then I've always loved. So what's, what's?

Speaker 1: 51:45

your take on on that.

Speaker 2: 51:47

I have to agree. I think going off of XP and again it's it's the element of like there is a table for everybody. If you are like super into combat and crunch, I think XP is the way to go because that's very rewarding. It's like the XP sets it up to a point where, like you are being rewarded for getting into combat all the time and if that's the thing you find joy in like follow your truth, but yeah, it is, it is definitely a system.

Speaker 2: 52:15

I think that rewards that more unless you were like I thought about. Like if I were to do an XP situation, I think I would reward it in the same way that, like video games, do that as well is like you get XP for sure for you know killing things, but you also get XP for discovering new areas. You get XP for clearing, like different points in the story and missions and things like that. So I feel like if I was to do an XP system, that's probably what I would do. So there would still be an element of reward if you are finding creative solutions. But I think traditional yeah, xp definitely encourages more combat centered stuff. We've always been milestone girly because we will sit there for fucking eight hours role playing and not touch our dice. So in a way that I would do that Also. I don't like math. I'm not gonna fucking do math.

Speaker 3: 53:09

I would not want to run D&D version of XP like. What VTM does is, like all of my games play a bit like older kind of, so they had some experience points to spend and then, generally, like every session you play, you get like one experience point and then, if you clear, if you like, you know to feed a big boss, you do something particularly good, or whatever you get, you can get more as the kind of storyteller rewards it. But I always give everyone the same amount and like I just want it's easier to keep track of like so you don't have to worry about like one character getting ahead of the others or being overpowered and then someone trying to have like too much main character syndrome. And also it's just like the VTM way of doing experience points because those are used to like buy more powers and disciplines or different skills or relationships. Like though, with that version of XP is fine, but like for D&D I would.

Speaker 3: 54:08

I would never want to run that. It's. It's too much math and I just yeah, I think it's too easy for like parties to get imbalanced and it's also harder for me to be like. Oh well, how do I decide what is the correct amount of XP for this interaction?

Speaker 1: 54:28

Right.

Speaker 3: 54:29

Like that feels kind of arbitrary, which I guess like my own song. Leveling is too. In a sense it's like well, when do you earn a level? But at least that it's, it's simpler, right, then it's like I feel like we should get 500 for this and not 250. Like I don't, I don't want to do all that, it's just, it's not my bag, but like, if the if it's your thing, go for it.

Speaker 1: 54:50

Yeah, like you said, you know, if you, if you're totally into, just if you want to be a combat heavy campaign by all, by all means, that's, that's a great way to to do it.

Speaker 2: 55:01

I mean, I'm going through dungeon crawls and the strategic and do it Right.

Speaker 1: 55:08

So I suppose you could do the same thing. You know, with XP if you, if you either, if you, if you kill something, you get the XP. But, like you said, if you find a creative way to not kill that creature and and be able to advance in the, the adventure that way, maybe you still get the XP for for the same version, for just not.

Speaker 2: 55:31

Yeah, it's just an element of how you, how you choose to reward your players.

Speaker 1: 55:35

Interesting.

Speaker 2: 55:38

Yeah, I mean we have like it's also milestone can have its own, its own faults because, like you know, you can have DMs that like. For we talked about this a couple of times because, in comparison of our current campaign to our previous, we played that previous campaign for over a year almost two, I think and we were playing biweekly, if not sometimes three times a month, and these were sessions that we were playing like eight to 10 hours every time and sometimes we'd play twice in a weekend because we were lost in the Saucies campaign for real. It was like we were very invested in like tapping our fucking veins every chance we got, so like we did that much gameplay and we gained one level and the entire time we ran it. So, like you know, to each their own, but I think we should have had a little bit more in that specific situation, whereas ours, like I think I think you guys have just gained your fourth level and we've hit a year and that's just one, in part because of the way that Strix Haven structures their levels and I'm not trying to have them play this for six years and likes have gotten three levels out of it. Strix Haven is meant to take you from one to 10. You can drop it at whatever level you want, but like by the time they graduate they should be a 10th level. So it's like once we hit certain points in the year, or every time they take an exam, they gain a level. So it's like two major points in which you're supposed to have gotten a level. Right now we just did.

Speaker 2: 57:09

We're in between the first year and the second year and we're having a little bit of like a ball situation that's just starting to wrap up. But the ball has taken longer than I expected because we've been doing a lot of serious hardcore. I should have known. I should have known. But I was like thinking. I was like, well, the ball is going to take maybe two. It's now three, like three full sessions. But by the end of it I was like, yeah, y'all fucking gain a level. We've done so much shit while we're out in this goddamn ball. Are you kidding me? Yeah, no, fuck it. I was going to be one to 11. But like that doesn't matter.

Speaker 3: 57:45

I'm just trying to get us up to one more so I can have mounted combat and let me graduate.

Speaker 2: 57:50

Well, you'll get us soon enough.

Speaker 3: 57:52

Because I've made the deal with Alex. My character has a griffin and it's a baby right now. Actually, you can't have your dead mother's adult griffin. I'm so sorry. I refuse to run mounted.

Speaker 2: 58:02

At level four. That's not happening and I'm like that's fair.

Speaker 3: 58:05

That's fair. The worst you're going to hear is no, or you get a baby griffin instead. But I'm like, ok, I said that I will wait until, like, the level 12 ASI to take mounted combat, and because then we'll either have been graduated for a few years or be like right after, it's like it'll make more sense.

Speaker 2: 58:20

That gives the griffin time to age, time to get trained in flying combat and all that shit. Time for you to train in flying combat? Yep yeah, Because I'm like you're not making me deal with this flying shit when you're at level four.

Speaker 3: 58:34

No, you can't have like a trained war griffin. You're freshman year of Magic College.

Speaker 2: 58:38

No, I'm so sorry Y'all hustle hard and I respect it. I do.

Speaker 3: 58:43

Yeah, the griffin's just killing everyone that we're fighting. It's like a play fight at school. It's like a duel and Zephyrus, her mom's griffin, is just murdering people because he's huge.

Speaker 2: 58:55

Yeah, like now we're not even those people. The vlog gutting students.

Speaker 3: 58:57

We can't have that, that's too much. He only, he's all gas, no break.

Speaker 2: 59:03

He only knows how I already give you all advantage for the dumbest fucking reason, just because I feel like it.

Speaker 1: 59:08

So Very nice. All right, I know we're getting close to the end of time here, so let me let me. I can't thank you enough for joining us today. I've got I've got one final question for you, so I'm going to modify my question a little bit. So if you had to go on a quest, what, what one famous fictional character would you want in your party?

Speaker 2: 59:43

If you had. This is hard.

Speaker 3: 59:45

Right, this is a hard one.

Speaker 2: 59:47

You're asking two very fantasy focused bitches, Like the amount of books we've read, the amount of games we played, the movies, the shows, the movies you had to pick.

Speaker 1: 59:59

You had to pick one.

Speaker 2: 1:00:00

One.

Speaker 1: 1:00:02

I'm.

Speaker 2: 1:00:02

I'm thankful you narrowed it to one and not like, hey, what's your whole party Cause? Then I would be, we'd be here for three more hours.

Speaker 3: 1:00:08

That would be easier for me because I could pick like three.

Speaker 1: 1:00:12

That would be a whole episode on the sound.

Speaker 3: 1:00:14

I mean I'll just go with like my gut, my initial gut instinct, Cause, like I, I read the throne of glass series recently and um Aalen Galathenius from that would be really nice because she was like trained as an assassin and she has like all of these fire powers and she, she would be helpful to be, very helpful to have along Um I think, hmm, this is so fucking hard.

Speaker 2: 1:00:49

Um, I think one of my soft spot Um decisions would be um Varric Tethris from Dragon Age. Because, like when I played Hawk, I was like, yeah, no, this is my best friend in every fucking sense of the word and I loved their relationship so much and I was just like I just love Varric and I feel like if I, if we were in real life traveling together, it would be that exact same like dynamic as Hawk and I just I just have a big soft spot for for that character.

Speaker 3: 1:01:23

Hawk would also be really nice.

Speaker 2: 1:01:25

Hawk would also be dope, specifically Mage Hawk. Yeah, because there's no other correct answer.

Speaker 3: 1:01:34

Iron Bull would be fun.

Speaker 2: 1:01:37

Yeah, I'm sure it would.

Speaker 3: 1:01:40

Hey now, hey now, don't take that, talk with me. These are stones and glass houses. Yeah, exactly you were the woman that told me that somewhere on some developer's computer, uh, Iron Bull's canonical dick exists.

Speaker 2: 1:01:56

You're the person who gave that information. It's a crime that they've kept that from the community. To be honest, that's right.

Speaker 3: 1:02:01

No, no, no, you don't know Um who else would be good.

Speaker 2: 1:02:12

I'm surprised you're not saying any critical role characters.

Speaker 3: 1:02:15

Oh, fuck, I've read about critical role. There's so many fandoms. I forget about my children, Right? Um, I forget about my children. Oh my gosh, Uh, Vax would be really good. So the twins Vax and Vax would be great.

Speaker 2: 1:02:36

I would love to be like fucking dropped in a quarter fan flowers.

Speaker 3: 1:02:39

That'd be fun.

Speaker 2: 1:02:40

Like I can't tell you who I would pick at that point because I love them all so much. But can I just be? Can I elect to be? I know this is not the question. Can I just be dropped there? Sure.

Speaker 1: 1:02:48

Absolutely.

Speaker 3: 1:02:51

Yeah, I'd like to be just dropped into Vox Machina. That would be cool, then I wouldn't have to pick.

Speaker 1: 1:02:59

Well, so let's do this. Yeah, I was just saying so, let's do that question. That'd be the opposite question. If you could be a character in another party, what party would you want to be a part of?

Speaker 2: 1:03:19

I would. As traumatic as this would probably be crowned candy. Like in there would be dope, Just as the story is fucking good and it's like it's like goddamn Game of Thrones and you'd be crying and then realizing it's about a conversation between a gummy bear and a piece of cake, but it's so good and that's like that, like we're we're trauma hosts, so we love to role play like really gritty, like emotionally deep stories. Love that shit. That's fantastic.

Speaker 1: 1:03:52

I like that yeah.

Speaker 3: 1:03:52

Never after would also be really fun. I mean, I think I really liked that world of like the dark fairy tale stuff the intrepid heroes also would be a fucking blast.

Speaker 2: 1:04:05

Yeah, yeah. For me it's between the cordufe and flower stuff and then crowned candy for sure. I feel like I would be. I'd probably be a meatlander, if I'm going to be honest either meatlander or like postination.

Speaker 3: 1:04:26

That's another question. Who would like crown of candy house Like I would?

Speaker 1: 1:04:33

even be a dairy. We got, we got down his rabbit hole.

Speaker 3: 1:04:35

My goodness yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:37

No, you're welcome.

Speaker 3: 1:04:38

We're here now. I'm not. I don't feel like I'm a vegetable, I don't really feel like. I'm a fruit person. I'm not meat either.

Speaker 2: 1:04:47

I could honestly see you as a little fun guy, a little mold person.

Speaker 3: 1:04:50

I could be a little mold person or like a dairy islander, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:04:56

I was going to say dairy too, ampail as lactose intolerant as you are.

Speaker 3: 1:05:02

It would go away and not an AU it would go away if you were made up?

Speaker 2: 1:05:07

I think so. You were made up there, you can't be allergic to yourself.

Speaker 3: 1:05:10

You just die.

Speaker 1: 1:05:12

You build up a tolerance, yeah, over time, all right, well, again, again. Mariah Alejandra, thank you so much for joining the podcast tonight. It's been it's been a pleasure talking to you both. Everybody. Please check out their podcast Table Talk. Table Talk on what are you? On? Apple, spotify, on all the On, all the Everywhere that you can listen to a podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:05:42

Our social medias are all at Table Talk or Table Talk RPG, on Instagram, tiktok and Threads Technically YouTube, though we haven't posted anything on there yet, but yeah, pretty much everywhere you can find us there.

Speaker 1: 1:05:55

Awesome, wonderful. Well, thank you again so much, have yourselves a great evening and hopefully we'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 2: 1:06:02

Thank you. Thank you for having us have a great night.

Speaker 1: 1:06:05

Bye, bye.